In episode 54 of The Product Design Podcast, Seth Coelen interviews Sheryl Cababa, Author of Closing the Loop: Systems Thinking For Designers and Chief Strategy Officer at Substantial. Her book dives into how powerful a systems thinking mindset is for designers and provides tools and frameworks to help define the systems that surround your work. During our chat, Sheryl provides us with an overview of the three concepts of systems thinking for designers, the cascading impact and barriers of systems thinking, and her take on the shortcomings of user-centered design. This episode will help you think deeper about the impact of the products you work on and understand the systems and context that can surround your design decisions. During our interview with Sheryl, you will learn: -Sheryl's journey into design -How Sheryl landed a job at Microsoft -Three concepts of systems thinking for designers -Cascading impact and barriers of systems thinking -Sheryl's take on the shortcomings of user-centered design -How to bring systems thinking to your organization So happy to have you join us today! 00:00 Introduction 02:15 How Sheryl got her start in design 05:40 Landing a job at Microsoft: how one door leads to a bigger opportunity 11:52 Three concepts of system thinking for designers 19:38 Cascading impact of systems thinking 25:16 Sheryl's take on the shortcomings of user-centered design 37:35 Highs and lows Sheryl has experienced during her career 41:54 Should you ask the user what they want in a product? 45:00 Barriers to systems thinking 48:17 How a junior designer or individual contributor can bring systems thinking to their organization Thanks for watching! If you enjoyed this video please like and subscribe so I can keep making content for you good people! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3aRBoqF6mAD1PnQwj86dXA Don't forget to read our blog and sign up for reminders when new episodes will be available! http://www.uxcabin.com/podcast/sheryl-cababa-systems-thinking-for-designers Make sure to follow Sheryl after the podcast to stay on top of what she is up to! -Twitter: https://twitter.com/SherylCababa -LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sherylcababa/ -Blog Website: https://medium.com/@SherylCababa -Closing the Loop: Systems Thinking for Designers: https://rosenfeldmedia.com/books/systems-thinking-for-designers/ --- Coupon code: cababa-pdp Where to find UX Cabin: -Twitter: https://twitter.com/uxcabin -Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/uxcabin/ -LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/uxcabin -TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@uxcabin?lang=en -YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/UXCabin -dribbble: https://dribbble.com/uxcabin -Website: https://uxcabin.com